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Is Council Member Jim Harris Fiscally Responsible?

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Okay folks, this summer the city will be in the red for the first time in city history.

We have seen this coming for a few years.

Twentynine Palms City Council Members have been spending taxpayer’s assets like wealthy tycoons. As a proximate cause, the city will be in the red within a few months. And the nearly one million in surplus funds the city normally has left over will be replaced with red ink.

In my 20 years, I don’t remember a negative fund balance,“ Finance Director Ron Peck told the council.

Why? Because the council has failed to act as a reasonable, prudent, body of elected officials. They have squandered funds foolishly on projects having no real priority or value as a whole to the community.

Then there is the one million in legal fees earned by Patrick Munoz with nothing to show for it. The Attorney General was outraged and alleged Munoz was conducting city business in an illegal manner with “unclean hands”.

Where is Harris’ oversight on this? He voted to give Munoz a good Performance Evaluation.

Just where is the Staff leadership? And where is the fiscal leadership on the city council? If you find it would you have them send a message back to Earth.

Frankly, there has been poor staff and council leadership. But as long as the Capital Projects Fund, Discretionary Funds or General Funds were flowing for non-priority special council projects — and they were —  that was all that mattered.

“Show me the money!”

During the February 25 Council Meeting, Harris advocates that a $400 thousand dog park is a city “need”. The city has never had a dog park; it can’t be that much of a “need”.

Council Member Harris is out of touch with the rest of the world. And he is delusional to believe there is a need at this time to blow $400,000,  plus another couple of hundred of thousand in unstated costs, on a dog park.

Rather than be a trustee of taxpayer’s assets, Harris is part of the local good ol’ boys network and pet projects team that has driven the city into the red.

Harris and his cohorts refuse to help fund the fire department. A dog park is more important than public safety.

Now Harris expects to jam a $400,000 dog park down the pie hole of voters when the city soon will be swimming in red ink?

Really Harris?

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  1. Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

    Let us not be so critical of one. Four voted to proceed with the dog park, Mintz, Corbin, Klink and Harris.

    The soul sane voice belonged to Heiser.

    Mintz, Corbin, and Harris are up for re-election. Perhaps they can explain how a dog park is more important than keeping the city out of the red this fiscal year or how a dog park is more important than a solvent fire department, or sidewalks, or repaired roads, or a myriad of other issues that face our city.

    Lets give them a chance to explain…….

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Hi Larry,

      starting a new line that one we are on is a little thin.

      I suggest you read the report. There is no need for the city to take over the obligations.

      The obligations exist weather we as a city do something or not.

      The solution was then and is now and can be the formation of a JPA that pools the resources of the current parcel assessment by both city residents and Desert Heights residents.

      To that pool of resources the city must start contributing.

      There are other solutions also that would not require us citizens to pay our property taxes and in ADDITION pay the parcel assessment or as you describe it the “fire tax”.

      I and others have researched solutions. What has our current council done Larry?

      The county fire option is not a solution just take a look at our current budget. Law enforcement eats up 41 percent of the General Fund and increases each and every year. County Fire would do the same and the decision to cut would be forced upon us via a contract with the county.

      Larry, I have solutions that would be far more palatable to the citizens of 29 Palms than entering into another contract with the county.

      What do you suggest?

      • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

        A JPA would mean we have in essence a 10 person board of directors. Becoming a city was done by a vote of the citizens. Let the citizens of the city decide by a vote if they want to take over the Fire Department

        • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

          There was no vote of the citizens for 31 million in bond debt was there Larry.

          I do not disagree with you and I think the citizens need to be involved with public safety as compared to what Cole, Mintz, and Corbin did with the bonds and then condoned by Klink and Harris.

          A JPA need not involve 10 and it would not. It would be similar to the MBTA that only has five.

          • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

            The water district has no money to put towards the solution, only the city has money. It seems like the water district can only provide advise and consent but no cash. Why do we need the water district involved?

            • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

              Well because they are the ones that have the current “fire tax” increment that adds up to a whole bunch more than the city would be putting in for the foreseeable future.

              Larry 55 percent of Yucca Valley’s property taxes go to paying for police and fire both of which are county organizations.

              Why is it so bad to ask the city of 29 Palms to cough up 11 percent when they presently pay NOTHING, NADA, ZIP!

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              Could have the county change the fire tax to be paid to the county. To suddenly take 11 per cent of the income from the budget would have a severe impact on the city. Streets would go unpaved. Non-profits would have shortfalls. and as an observation,when young parents have children one of the things they expect is a park and rec program supported by the city. It’s when the parents grow older and the kids are gone from the nest that they think park and rec is a burden.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Had to start another string Larry.

      I see what you are saying but I do not agree at all. There is plenty to trim at the city budget and it is not roads or police but police can be cut without hurting public safety.

      Where you and I disagree is that Park and Recreation is not a life or death matter it is a “nice to have”.

      Police, Fire, roads, sidewalks, are what needs to be accomplished before we move into the land of dog parks.

      Again Larry I have worked with people over these last 3 years to find out what the truth is and it is not what Warne presented.

      I know what other cities do pay for public safety, and it is not cheap, I know.

      But 29 Palms has taken a pass for 27 years and the time has come to step up.

      We can go to county fire if you wish and they will bankrupt the city in about 6 to 7 years along with the yearly increases in police costs that right now take up 41 percent of the yearly General Fund.

      Think outside the box Larry. Is there a way to capture non resident revenues? Can we generate revenue from other sources?

      The answer is yes and I know how to do it.

      Again any ideas you may have other than staying with the status quo would be appreciated.

      We sure as hell need better thoughts than what we now see from the council.

      Also I think you are forgetting what Chief Hartwig said during those dark days when Warne poisoned the well. The current revenues from the parcel assessment would only meet one year of his/county costs for fire protection. He then said that an increase in that parcel assessment would be needed. Voters would vote a big “No” on that. So….. the city would have to cough up the ever increasing costs for county provided fire protection which Larry is TWICE – yes DOUBLE the cost of a Twentynine Palms Fire Department.

      How anyone believed what Warne was selling is beyond me. And it was and is more than Warne it is Munoz too.

      • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

        We agree to disagree. My final thought for the day is to Pay 4M out of the rainy day fund to fully fund the Fire Department Retirement requirements and have LAFCO turn the Fire Department and the fire tax over to the county.

        • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

          I have this funny feeling that that rainy day fund is about to eventually be tapped for even more to defease the 31 Million RDA Bond scam.

        • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

          What “Rainy Day Fund”? Do you know of a fund that I do not know of?

          On a side note. Do you notice that not one of our elected council members ever responds to this blog or even the newspaper?

          They seem to be very afraid and I mean very, very, afraid to engage in any form of discussion at all.

          All of them seem to be only able to pontificate from the dais and never, ever, ever, address the public.

          Let the public speak their three minutes and then I will talk, and talk, and talk, until I feel that I satisfied myself as a person of importance because I am an elected official.

          All of them need a lesson in how to be a public official.

          • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

            If they responded and started a conversation on CT wouldn’t that be a violation of the Brown Act?

            • Larry, State
              Assembly and Senate legislators communicate all the time with taxpayers and voters. County Supervisors have newsletters. Congress members and Senators communicate wth taxpayers and voters.

              This council likes the public at arms distance.

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              But they would be talking among themselves on Public business.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Hi Larry,

      Branson is right they can talk to citizens via a blog, the newspaper and the radio which at least two current council members use routinely.

      All five of then can post replies or write letters to the editor. What they would be prohibited from doing would have three of them engage in a policy discussion amongst themselves.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Larry like we do not expect fire protection? We once had two stations and we now have one.

      The county told us we could have one station and that they would need an increase in payments after the first year. By our own department reducing the available resources to one engine company we have doubled our time to provide fire services without an increase in cost.

      Why do you think it is right for us to tax ourselves twice so as to allow the city to build dog parks, signs, and metal sheep?

      BTW – do you know that by approving the bonds for project phoenix the city LOST 6 million dollars in property taxes over the 30 years?

      Just saying that priorities seem to be lost after 27 years of using 22% of our property taxes for Park and Recreation. BTW Roads and other civil priorities would not be effected by doing what is right for public safety.

  2. diogenes29po diogenes29po says:

    Fire Department or dog park? Dog park of course. Dogs are the first responders in an emergency. They will stay with you thru trials and tribulations. Hoping that exercise stations are available for them. On site trainers would be a plus. Opinion of Gene Buczak.

  3. michaelv michaelv says:

    Wait, I finally have the solution. turn part of the fire station and the surrounding property into a dog park, fire fighters could then be used to train the dogs to respond to a fire and pee on the flames. Then the city council would find it as a need and pay the fire department the $400K they were going to pay for a sand lot with a fence around it.

  4. Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

    The Trail reports that the Council voted 4-1 to “pursue plans for a dog park at Knott Sky Park”. The council has not spent any money yet to build a dog park. The actual budget will be voted on later this year. I’ll take Rebecca’s reporting over Ben’s any day of the week.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      I read the same article Larry and this council is pursuing plans to spend as follows

      “The council voted four to Councilwoman Heiser’s one to pursue plans for a dog park at Knott Sky Park. The 2013/14 budget allots $400,000 for the park but the most recent studies for such a feature were done in 2008 for a site near the Palms ‘N Paws animal shelter on Bullion Road.” As per the Desert Trail.

      Only problem is Larry they do not have the $400,000 in the Capital Projects Fund. In fact they only have $115,603. Where do the other “four” propose to get the balance? From the Reserves? Sure can’t be the General Fund because that is projected to be in the red to the tune of $92,000 and Ron Peck as well as myself and you have never ever seen that before.

      What are your thoughts on those facts?

      • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

        When the budget is reviewed in May or June a final decision will be made on the dog park. The thing that concerns me is that all the public employee retirement funds are under funded. Ron stated that the city will have to put an additional 5% into the budget to cover the short fall. The teacher’s retirement fund is close to going bankrupt. The cost of police protection is increasing next year and your retirement fund is most likely nowhere fully funded. The 29 Palms Fire Department Retirement fund contribution is said to be close to 4 million dollars in the hole. I hope the dog park will be put in the “plans for the future” category and not funded for this coming fiscal year. As for the use of the general fund for the fire department, why didn’t this come up sooner on the radar screen? Say like 4-8 years ago.

        • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

          There are a whole bunch of issues on the table but I do not see the council doing or talking about any of them except for…. a dog park.

          The fire department issue was really raised about 6 years ago Larry. Remember the joint study for the city to take over the fire department?

          That study is still valid and still has valid solutions other than taxing ourselves again above and beyond what the citizens of Yucca already tax themselves for fire protection.

          Richard Warne poisoned the well this last time.

          The county can not compete in cost to what the TPFD can provide. Remember the contract with the county for police protection increases every year. Any contract with the county for fire protection would have the same consequences and is a foolhardy proposition.

          As for not implementing the possible recommendations of the former joint study I can tell you exactly who is to blame – Patrick Munoz of Rutan and Tucker. I was there I know what he said behind closed doors and I know the damage he has done to our city then and now with the bonds.

          Again, good to see you back.

          • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

            When we became a city the fire department was not annexed in but left with the water district. If we were to assume the fire department now, 25+ years later and take money out of the General Tax Levy which programs would you recommend we cancel?

            • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

              Hi Larry,

              Park and Recreation consumes way too much and is bloated.

              I am sorry but public safety trumps tee ball and ballet and basketball.

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              And the city would be taking over the 4 million dollar short fall in the fire departments retirementprogram. WOW!!

    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      The best thing about this site and our daunting citizen reporters is, even when they get it wrong, others step up to the plate and set the record straight.

      By in large we have a 95% accuracy rate on our political stories. That is a whole lot better than the Paper.

      A good example was the ongoing storyline of the city having to sell its ill gotten former RDA property. We have been saying for years that they need have to sell the property.

      While we all get emotional or at times blow a gasket now and again, we have been doggedly following the stories that will effect folks now and in the future.

  5. Fired safety issues for the city of 29 may remain in the laps of the city since there is a slim chance of a new measure ever passing to increase property assessment taxes so the city can spend itself into the red with nothing going toward fire safety issues.

    Moreover, how can mutual aid with Base Fire and County Fire work both ways when the TPFD is facing bankruptcy, firefighters were cut, a fire station locked down, one engine taken out of service and put in mothballs? The city is dumping its problem on Base and County Fire for backup, while the fire department it is unable to fulfill its reciprocal end of the mutual aid agreement.

    @steve: It may seem unfair to single out Harris but considering I’ve singled out Corbin, Mintz before and omitted Harris, it doesn’t appear so bias. But the fact is Harris not fiscally responsible. He was a lead cheerleader for the duplicate state-of-art performing arts theater (even though he did not vote for the bond.

    More important, Steve, is that Harris has a knack of putting his foot in his mouth. For him to say the dog park is a $400 (actually it’s more like $600) “NEED” is ludicrous. And for Harris to put into the record people could leave the room during invocations if they didn’t like it begs for being hammered.

    I agree, Harris was singled out. But because of his snarly remark.

    I did provide the explanation that the other councilmen were responsible for spending the city into the red:
    Twentynine Palms City Council Members have been spending taxpayer’s assets like wealthy tycoons. As a proximate cause, the city will be in the red within a few months. And the nearly one million in surplus funds the city normally has left over will be replaced with red ink.

  6. Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

    Larry said it…. I agree. The use of the reserves to save the fire department locally controlled and solvent, is a valid use. No question about it, saving the fire department is a much wiser capital investment than a dog park.

    Spending 400k on the minimum, to build a place for a dog to take a dump is irrational during these trying times. This is an example of folks who never had to work and never signed the front of a payroll check, unless a CPA or a sister wrote it out for them.

  7. Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

    Use of the Reserves would be a legitimate expenditure for the fire department that is for sure and Larry is right on that.

    • Mark Clemons Mark Clemons says:

      oh jeezzz lets indebt the taxpayers some more,

      “Citizens and public officials typically under-appreciated the gigantic financial tapeworm that was born when promises were made,” Buffett wrote in his annual report to shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A) released on March 1. “During the next decade, you will read a lot of news –- bad news -– about public pension plans.”

      I think Buffett is referring to the extortion by public employees of those that contribute to the GNP to fund their over the top pensions. It cannot go on without a correction. The city would be wise to cut their pension obligations. sure as hell do not want to increase them at a time that they are beginning to fail. Letting the water district out of their pension obligations make as much sense as an arch over the highway or the past and current council not knowing where the reserves are.

      • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

        The water district doesn’t contribute to the pension plan. The property owners located in the water district pay a fire tax. Better to pay the piper and get it turned over to your beloved county.

      • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

        Hi Mark,

        Took me few days but here you go.

        Approximately a few hundred thousand is kept at the local Opus Bank.

        The remainder is in Sacramento in the Local Agency Investment Fund.

        I do not have exact numbers but you can get them via the city by asking or submitting a CPRA request.

        • Mark Clemons Mark Clemons says:

          Thanks Steve, my point is how much is projections, how much is cash? that said I watch the council meeting the staff report was ambiguous to say the least. I don’t know the gentleman that gave the report but it should of set off alarms. I can’t help but think the buddy buddy team crap lets the ineptitude continue. The citizens are entitled to better, no I take that back they voted for the goofs, it is just sad for those of us that know better.

          • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

            Hi Mark,

            No projections it is all money that is in the bank or invested in Sacramento.

            What are projections are the revenues for each fiscal year when they do the budget.

            That is why Ron Peck was not specific he can’t be. He is kind of like a weather person he can give you a real fine estimation that is usually, at least for the last 20 years, very close.

            But his crystal ball is as good as yours. One could ask you how much money will your drive in make this weekend. You have a good idea but you do not actually know.

            • Mark Clemons Mark Clemons says:

              Comparing my parents drive in with a government entity, one a for profit business the other a tax funded service provider just doesn’t hold water. When a business such as the drive in makes a profit, it is for personal gain, when a city makes a profit (reserves) it is extorting the citizens. Just what is the purpose of the city making a profit, some say emergencies, but what kind of events would justify the overcharging of the citizens to the point of commercial stagnation. Now the greedy bastards want more. How in the hell can the city justify their fee schedule when they say we have those kinds of reserves

              As long as you want to use the drive in as an example, here at the drive in we do all that is possible to keep our prices not only competitive, but give our customers as much value as possible. ask around and you will find there is no other place in 29 you can get more value for your dollars. Kind of inverted I would think the city would keep their fees to a value point and let business do the profit thing.

              Here is where business comes in, unlike the staff report where he couldn’t tell how DMV s are figured I guarantee a business would, Why do we keep this guy around, it appears it’s the good old boy sham. Too bad 29 can’t shed that cronyism crap. Most should know let someone get comfortably entrenched, they get sloppy. Change in his position keeps the books accurate and the mind sharp, you are actually doing this poor guy more harm than good by supporting him.

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              Mark, An emergency would be an earthquake. Or it could be a flood that made Adobe road impassible a few years ago.

            • Right Larry… a flood… like a flooded adobe rode and SR 62. The FEMA Flood Plain where the geniuses on city staff and the city council wanted to construct a subterranean multi-millions duplicated playhouse, and borrowed $30 million bond money to accomplish the scheme?

              Larry wrote in comment: “An emergency would be…a flood that made Adobe road impassible a few years ago.”

  8. Larry, here is a reasonable question. Please try and answer:

    Is it acceptable policy under a mutual aid reciprocal agreement for County Fire to come to the aid of 29 Palms when the TPFD is underfunded, short on firefighters, with a station closed and in most cases is unable to meet the call and go to the mutual aid of County Fire?

    Put another way, is it fair for the city to hog public funds and stiff-arm the TPFD and the public.

    • While JOSHUA TREE NATIONAL PARK IS GENERATING $62 MILLION ANNUALLY, the 29 Palms City Council remains silent on helping fund a near bankrupt TPFD to protect those visitors. Rather, the council redirects property taxes for special projects for local cronies and insiders, not for fire safety.

      Is it’s safer to lodge in Joshua Tree where County Fire is funded, while the 29 Palms City Council diverts fire funds for
      sign, signs, and more signs.

    • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

      Ben, the city hasn’t provided any funding to the TPFD since the city was incorporated over 25 years ago.

      • Exactly Larry. And therein lies the problem. The council and you too are pretending public safety is not the city’s problem. We desperately need leadership on the council. This is not 50 years ago, the TPWD can no longer sustain the TPFD all by itself without new funding sources for the fire department.

        It seems voters are no longer happy being doubled taxed for fire services while a dysfunctional city collects those taxes for personal projects having no priority whatsoever.

        Yes, the city collects property taxes from residents in 29 Palms and residents in the Sphere of Influence through the county, but the gents on the council refuses to help fund the TPFD. Thus, the city is now largely relying on County Fire vis a vis the mutual aid program to protect residents, businesses, churches and local schools.

        It’s going to happen Larry. First the city needs leaders, not spenders, seated on the council. Can you understand how it looks for the council to happily squander money on unnecessary controversial projects at every given opportunity from various slush funds, and say public safety is not our problem.

        • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

          Ben, the city does NOT collect taxes for people that live in the sphere of influence. Those people pay a fire tax that is given to the water district just like the people who live in the city. As for the mutual aid, it seems to be working.

          • Larry, I understand the county collects said taxes which in turn are redirected back to 29. The city needs to modernize.

            It can no longer pretend public fire safety is not an issue while continuing to spend said money on namely projects of little use.

            That was a typo, Larry, Thanks.

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              The fire tax money goes directly to the water district for use by the fire department. The city gets none of that money.

  9. Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

    HI Larry,

    Let me try this:

    Yucca Valley citizen – pays property taxes gets Fire and Police
    29 Palms citizen – pays property taxes PLUS fire tax gets Fire and Police

    Why do Yucca citizens pay less in taxes, because they do not pay a fire tax, and they get Fire and Police but a 29 citizen must pay TWO taxes to get Fire and Police?

    I fully understand that is how it was set up 27 years ago in 29 Palms. We also attacked Iwo Jima wearing haversacks and leggings but Marines don’t do that anymore. Not because in 1945 it was wrong but because in 2014 it is wrong.

    Also, I was working with the former Town Manager of Yucca about this very issue and unbeknownst to the citizens of Yucca Valley their property taxes that are used to pay for their fire protection are also subsidizing fire protection as far away as Needles and as close to home as Wonder Valley and Joshua Tree.

    Now with the TPFD down an engine and we are relying more and more on “mutual aid” from the county Yucca citizen tax dollars are subsidizing the citizens of 29 Palms because our city just does not get it.

    In effect the city of 29 palms has been using about 22% of the property tax dollars for the last 27 years on other matters – mainly Park and Rec while cities and towns like Yucca have been using 55% and above of their property tax dollars in order to pay for fire and police.

    Mark Nuami was about to act on this unfairness but left before he could.

    Do you really think Yucca will keep subsidizing these other communities forever once the people of Yucca become knowledgeable?

    I know we disagree. I just want facts out there as to what 29 Palms is actually doing with our tax dollars as compared to every other city and Town out there.

    • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

      Our founding fathers were 5 smart cookies. Let’s pay $M and give it to the county.

      • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

        Not a good idea Larry. It will be a disaster and lead to disincorporation.

        The county is not cheap and it is TWICE as expensive as our own Fire Department.

        Why do you and others not see that? The facts are out there, not hard to find at all.

        Now if we wish to cease being a city, wish I also think is a mistake, then lets do it and be done with the signs and dog parks and the things that simply do not matter in the long run.

        On the other hand if we wish to be masters of our own destiny then we need to see the facts and not what we think are the facts.

        Public safety, police and fire are not cheap. Nor are roads cheap. But to fund Park and Recreation for the benefit, in the whole, of the Marine Base juvenile population is not responsible at all.

        Especially when the Marine Base is not reciprocal in their treatment of our non-military dependent children.

        Also, the county just does not provide fire protection to an incorporated city without a contract. That contract will be much the same as the police contract and will be subject to ever increasing costs that will drain the General Fund and the Reserves.

        If we give up our fire department I give us 10 years at the max before we are bankrupt.

        • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

          I remember the lady from LAFCO saying this would be acceptable to LAFCO if the unfunded pension liability was brought current.

          • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

            I agree Larry but do you think paying TWICE as much to the county for fire protection that will increase from 4 to 5 percent per year is a good idea?

            Our fire department is a good department that performs as well if not better than county fire.

            Why would a city give that up? Why pay twice as much for what you already have.

            Why not support the department you have by using the property taxes that other cities pay for fire protection that our city uses for Park and Recreation?

            Explain that all to me and I will back down.

            Again the COUNTY is going to cost us BIG TIME!

            • Larry Briggs Larry Briggs says:

              Because doing that means a decrease in street repairs, park and rec and a host of others services that the citizens have grown to expect.

  10. Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

    Hi Mark,

    Okay lets try McDonalds or even or any Corporation or for that matter anybody who puts together a BUDGET for the year. Assumptions about income/revenues must be made about the FUTURE.

    Those assumptions may not be exact but they will be close.

    That is all I was trying to say.

    As for your narrative about other matters………..

    • Mark Clemons Mark Clemons says:

      Steve disincorporation is the answer, it is not rocket science, it is very simple. an unneeded layer of enforcers and bureaucrats cost a lot of money you know better than most the cost of upper management and the PC code enforcement Nazis

      It has been reported and I believe that the smaller the government entity the greater the favoritism and the greater percentage of over all corruption. It would be preferable to go the county for permits where you deal with professionals that are more likely to be fair without preference that has soiled this once fine town.

      With disincorporation we could use those reserves that have been touted to pay off the bonds, the county would be forced to provide fire protection, the base would be the base and the town would be the town.

    • Mark Clemons Mark Clemons says:

      Steve one more thing part of your post responding got cut off lol,

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