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L.A. Times publishes article on bobcat trapper

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In a follow-up story first reported in the Hi-Desert Star, The L.A. Times has published an article (Locals believe bobcat hunters are crossing the line) that reports on the trapper who is setting traps alongside the boundaries of Joshua Tree National Park.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bobcats-20130211,0,1532424.story

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  1. RescueGuy RescueGuy says:

    So is it illegal? No. Are they endangered? No... The private property trap location is a problem from a trespassing standpoint, not from a legal trapping standpoint.

    Buffer zone? They travel 30 miles a day. How do you buffer that? NIMBYism? for sure.

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  2. Thanks S.E. McKone,

    Here is the official Marine Corps position on trapping Bob Cats.

    USMC Captain Mannweiler, Public Relations Officer on base, advises that they are aware of the community relationship problems; that there is really not much the Marine Corp can do about its Marines trapping wildlife, gutting and skinning them to shop abroad; Marines can have part-time jobs on the weekends; and the Base looks at trappings as a hobby, even though they do discourage such activity of their Marines.

    Captain Mannweiler recognizes that this is a public relations nightmare for the 29 Palms Marine Corps Combat Center. They are aware of the problem and the community outrage from near and afar.

    So far, the Base has received 65 complaints concerning trapping.

    Should anyone like to call the Base and express their views, hear is helpful information:

    Captain Nick Mannweiler, Community Relations Officer
    (760) 830-6213
    Ask for Captain Mannweiler

    Don't forget to mention the outcry from the community and the Hi-Desert Star's comments, as well as the LaTimes article. Mention that culling bob cats close to the JTNP interferes with the natural order of native wildlife in the park.

    The UCMJ has no provisions to institute a no-trapping policy --even though it’s a terrible hobby to have, said Captain Mannweiler. Adding that, were in a tough spot but there is nothing we can do with guy.

    Captain Mannweiler said, “We we are exploring as many avenues as possible.”

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    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      "...... it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
      -- (Act V, Scene V, Macbeth) William Shakespeare

      Please.... don't any of you guys wear big boy pants anymore? What a bunch of limp dicks... Its called the manly art of trapping... a derivative of the hunter gatherer imperative that we once had as Human Males. I swear to gawd the next thing you guys are going to be talking about is color swatches for your new matching silky man-blouses. Get a set boys!!

      I catch a bobcat in my lauder he is a new stretched hide to be sold at the next Rendezvous my cousin might attend.

      You guys need to be force fed a TV diet of "Daniel Boone" and "The Legend of Jedediah Smith". Has your physicians suggested hormone replacement for you yet?

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  3. RescueGuy RescueGuy says:

    Why encourage wasting an important mans time by encouraging all the uninformed animal lovers to tie up his phone line? It is not illegal Ben and your call to arms in bugging our USMC Captain is shameful and self serving. Work to change the law, not harass one of our finest who can do nothing as far as policy change.

    It is not illegal. You may not like it, but it is not illegal. Stop harassing our troops.

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  4. Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

    Sorry Dan,

    Nothing "Manly" about setting a trap; about as cowardly as a land mine.

    Manly: An indian riding bareback while taking down a buffalo with a bow and arrow.

    @Rescue Guy,

    Did you read the Captain's job description?

    "Community Realtions Officer."

    Translation: Listen to people's complaints no matter what they are.

    Oh Dan, almost forgot, I'm having trouble with my wardrobe: Is it striped skirt, solid blouse, or the other way around -- it needs to match that cute pair of thigh-high boots you loaned me....

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    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      They are called Riding Boots, got them from George S. Patton... A little tall for your short stature. You look lovely in them, by the way.

      I hate to burst your bubble but Native Americans were superior trappers and preferred trapping as a way to save damage to the hide.

      Before the horse (brought to the Americas by the White Man) the Native Americans indeed trapped even the buffalo by herding them into smaller and smaller areas until they had a group in a kill zone... Jesus man don't you have History Channel?

      Once again I sentence you to 100 hours of “Daniel Boone” and 30 hours “The Legend of Jedediah Smith”. and a 500 CC Testosterone injection weekly for 10 weeks followed by a monthly maintenance dose.

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    • Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

      Scots Slant: So your saying the Indians did not utilize traps?

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      • Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

        Racemutt,

        Never said indians did not trap; maybe try some Windex to clean the mud off those goggles....

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        • Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

          Hey RANT: Your the one that tried to glorify Indians as some kind of nostalgic deity by setting them as an example of manliness.
          Get off of that pony and man up. Get a horse or at least quit being a horses ass.

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  5. Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

    O'Brien,

    Difference between white man trapper and indian trapper is indian didn't strip the hide off and toss the dead carcass off in the weeds to rot.

    We didn't have History Channel in those days to educate how and when the first horses arrived in America;learned that around third grade watching, Mutual of Omaha's, Wild Kingdom.

    I think the order was: Columbus, Spaniards, Mexicans, American western plains indians, American cowboy.

    By the way, are you color blind?

    The pink, high-heeled boots you loaned out don't look like the ones you say Patton wore.

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    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      The white man's guilt just drips off you like sweat on a hot day. How do you figure that Native American trappers were anymore noble than the White men who did the same job? You realize that the Native American had a thriving fur trade long before the White man came don't you?

      You figure that Native Fellow ate every muskrat or beaver he trapped? Really? He got paid by the pelt not by how many pounds of mink meat he might jerk. Use your head, for Christ sakes.

      PS You seem to have no problem with the color pink, I think it becomes you.

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    • Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

      RANT. According to the History Channels America Unearthed. Scott Wolford The history you been taught is not accurate.
      Explain how there are pyramids in America? preColumbus writing from Ireland etc?
      yep you'll find that on the History Channel.

      I'm providing you a link. Check it out.
      http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed

      Please explain why Dan loaned you Bransons boots?

      Are you expecting Steve Spear to come to your rescue again?

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      • Paparrazi, don't dragging my boots through your caca.

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      • Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

        R-mutt,

        Looked at your video; don't know what it has to do with a trapper.

        Near as I can figure, it's unhealthy to keep chasing cars; the exhaust you're sniffing goes straight to your brain.

        As for the pair of pink riding boots, neither belonged to Patton or Hunter; O'Brien special ordered them from Gucci.

        By the way, traded the pony for TWO horses; is that "Manly" enough for ya?

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        • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

          Special ordered them just for you, my little dumpling. They are so becoming on you with the Little Lord Fauntleroy fox hunt get up.

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        • Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

          RANT, You don't know? Did by chance you have a fall off of that pony as a child when your skull was soft and suffered some permanent brain damage? My link is a direct refutal of your prooftext. You don't have a clue of what you are saying do you? You used the History Channel for reference to your post about Bobcat trapping but your reference "The History Channel" refutes what you said. That's what my post has to do with the topic. Your argument is void of facts and exposes your ignorance. Two horses don't impress me as to being Manly. Admitting your wrong might!

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          • Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

            Racemutt,

            The carbon monoxide poisoning you received from chasing cars is more serious than I thought; using your paw, scroll up the screen and tell me again where I referenced the History Channel.

            If your goggles are too muddied to find it, this is what was said: "We didn’t have History Channel in those days to educate how and when the first horses arrived in America; learned that around third grade watching, Mutual of Omaha’s, Wild Kingdom."

            Keep it up and O'Brien will take away your box of dog biscuits.

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            • Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

              Rant referenced this in one of his Rants "We didn’t have History Channel in those days to educate" Need I say more. No! If you had a brain you would notice that the goggles are clean. If you had a brain you would know that you don't use windex to clean goggles. If you had a brain you would have understood that rolloffs simply scroll across the lens with a simple tug of a string if there were any mud. So there is only one conclusion one can reach by the errant comments you have made. You don't have a brain. You consistently make ignoRANT comments on things you know nothing about.

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            • Scots Slant Scots Slant says:

              Racemutt,

              You can let the hair on your back down now that you recognize we didn't have History Channel in those days. I guess it would be fair to add however that along with Wild Kingdom, we did receive a quality education using a set of books called encyclopedia's, among others (I have a spare set to loan if you are inclined to study from something other than the internet).

              Sounds like you have some high-dollar goggles there with the tear-off lens; I'm impressed.

              IgnoRANT?

              That's pretty clever for a canine; now take that biscuit and git, git back to the pound!

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  6. The motive behind trapping bob cats is one of extraordinary greed....

    Atronomer and conservationist Tom O'Key said it best: “This is really, really bad. These guys are carpetbaggers coming onto private land to slaughter bobcats with no regard for a tight-knit community that cares deeply about the national park and its wildlife."

    Like humans, bob cats are capable of awareness and suffering, they have survival instincts and they experience trauma. This means they are capable of being aware of sensations and emotions, of feeling pain and suffering, and of experiencing a state of well being and contentment. Bob cats are solitary animals.

    Bob cats are animal sentient beings, just as a race of human being are sentient beings.

    First trappers slaughter their prey. They do that by permanently put out their light in some cruel manner. Then trappers skin the animal after it has been disembowel. The remains are left on the ground. Bob cat fur can earn a trapper more than $600 in overseas markets.

    O’key is right. Trappers lack understanding and respect for living things. They shouldn’t have the right to take over the area to prey on and slaughter wildlife.

    Trapping is akin to poachers plundering of the rinos and elephants for their tusks and horns to sell in Asia, India or Europan markets. The distinction is that while poachers go after ivory and horns, trappers go after the belly fur of bob cats. It all done without any any remorse. Greed is a powerful motivator.

    People need to spend more time thinking about the reality of savagery and the slaughter of a wildlife specie. There are few issues more controversial in Canada and around the world than the annual seal hunt that takes place in the waters and on the ice floes off Atlantic Canada.

    We have our own problem with savagery and slaughter here in the Morongo Basin. We do not own the planet, the planet owns us. Treat all living things with respect. That’s not too much to expect.

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  7. RescueGuy RescueGuy says:

    Branson you are an idiot. This is all LEGAL, no more or less brutal than fishing, chucker hunting or deer hunting and there is a season for each. Rhinos, elephants and unicorns are all protected, and except in rare cases, completely safe to live out their lives without being a jacket. Bobcats are not. Get over it. IT IS LEGAL AND SANCTIONED BY THE STATE.

    As to the greed angle, you don't know this, you are just doing your usual stupid speculating. Maybe the hunters do it because they enjoy it, much like you enjoy masturbating on this forum. Difference is they get paid for it, while you only get a warm puffy feeling with each keystroke.

    How far do you want to take it Ben? Stop at rats? Snakes? Rabbits? Quail? They are all sentient and makes your argument look foolish.

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