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Did the Town of Yucca Valley Buy your Vote on Measure U?

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VNMU jpgYucca Valley, Ca.,- There are new numbers to report as the final tallies are in from closing out the 460s to report donations.  Some costs are still hidden and concealed which may never surface without a forensic audit.

I will refer back to this story link with the new figures and updates. I just needed to put this post up for reference.

Here are the totals as of November 14, 2012:

Total Costs have Exceeded $232,750.00!

For a rural town of 20,700 population with the average income of $32,000 per year, it really is excessive especially in this economy.

Here is a recap:

Town of Yucca Valley — General Fund expenses (our tax dollars)

 •    $50,000 Fieldman/ Rolapp Financial Study (1/2 paid by Hi-Desert Water District);

•    $48,000 Lew Edwards and Associates (awarded January 2012);

•    $75,000 (max) flyers, mailers, postage and surveys (approved January 2012);

•    $6,000 general fund reserves undesignated to town clerk for ballot measure Aug. 7, 2012;

•    $20,000 general fund reserves undesignated for more outreach Aug. 7, 2012.

Bottom line:

$199,000 Town of Yucca Valley (includes estimated costs for staff time while on the clock and attorney fees)

$33,750 Political Action Committee, Yes on Measure U**

$951 Citizens Committee Vote No Measure U**

This is outrageous!

**To clarify, the Political Action Committee and Citizens Committee are not town entities and did not spend town money.

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Margo Sturges

Yucca Valley Editor

Note: Margo Sturges has written many articles for Cactus Thorns and is the founder of Citizens4Change.info. Email contact: MargoSturgesYV(at)aol.com "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."- George Orwell

32 Comments

  1. Steve Whitten Steve Whitten says:

    Hello Margo,

    What is the status of the Citizen’s Initative proposed by the “No on U” committee during the Measure U debate to assist in funding the Sewer? It was my understanding the CI would be on the March ballot for voters.

    How much longer can we afford to kick the can down the road without impact to property tax assessments?

    As I’ve suggested before, any Initative that contains a 30 year lock that would be palletable to voters would be one that includes all Three Phases.

    I think it be prudent for the property owners in YV to have something sooner than later.

    • Hello Steve Whitten, Without a 70/30 mandate on the outcome of Measure U, only fools would move forward for the March ballot, as also agreed by the Yucca Valley Town Council members, if you recall.

      “Last week the Town Council sent Town Manager, Mark Nuaimi, home for the Thanksgiving holidays without authorizing him any more Staff time or money to rush his proposed tax measure for the March 5, 2013 ballot. After his surprised defeat of Measure U, Nuaimi scrambled to throw out a Plan B which was another Rush Job-Act Now..”

      story link:http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/42936

      Measure U split this community down the middle and they could not even win with a minimum 50%+1 vote requirement. Our CI is going to require a 2/3rds majority vote and we immediately started an outreach plan to all the members of the community to start the healing process when it was proclaimed the measure was defeated. We studied each update of the SB Registrar of Voters to see if there was a a pattern but it was a split down the middle.

      Currently, there are several groups meeting “by invitation only” to start something as the earliest date allowed for the next election is September by law, as per Nuaimi’s presentation. You may have been invited by now as one group is combining the council election with the CI.

      We have our CI lined up for the first review with the water attorney and will be working with the HDWD, specifically the State Revolving Fund to meet with their requirements. Our meetings will be open to the public, advertised and all will be welcomed to move our town forward. When the sewers come in, property values will increase..businesses will want to move in, we can add more roof tops to grow the town. The sewer is the real crisis.

      The time and energy involved, grass roots, to secure signatures will also allow for one-on-one discussions on the sewer project to also secure the assessment vote and the 2/3rds vote. The sewer collection system will reach a milestone mid-March which is the last piece of the puzzle regarding costs.

      In this economy, no one likes taxes but we are confident the person-to-person approach is the best way to explain the sewer. Any good salesman will tell you that you have to know what the cost of the product is before you ask for the commitment. Can’t sell any Fuller Brushes if you do not know the cost, tax and shipping charges, etc.

      I have been sick for two weeks but the work has continued on the CI. I am going to personally make sure that you are aware of the open meetings to weigh in on the matter and so you can invite anyone else. We always wanted a fair, open and transparent CI and we gave our word. We are not sure if our attorney will attend each meeting but will have all the information available in an open Forum.

      Thanks for asking.

      Margo

  2. The town manager pulled another pal from his busy carpet bag when he gave away $48,000 to Lew Edwards and Associates (awarded January 2012). Lew’s homepage promised results… but delivered nothing. One must wonder about that carpet bag… . How many other pals are in there waiting to pop out like a jack in the box.

  3. Ed Montgomery Ed Montgomery says:

    Steve Whitten, you are so full of baloney it’s unbelievable. First of all nothings been done with the sewers for five years at least. So your statement is so misleading unbelievable. If measure U would have passed them the town Yucca Valley would be getting all the money the 1% sales tax in their general fund the first five years. So what you’re saying is totally untrue and who cares. Yes we are working on an initiative for a 1/2 sales tax. Even if didn’t get it on the March ballot, nothings happening for the first five years anyway. So what are you trying to say? If anybody that was untruthful that was the town Council, town manager, Jennifer Collins and the rest of the people were telling every body all this money was going to go for the sewers, not ever was true. Anybody can check with a high desert water district and find out for yourself that none of these projects will start for a minimum five years. Once again the people that supported measure U are being very untruthful once again.

  4. Steve Whitten Steve Whitten says:

    I made no calims about Measure U. Must be some pretty good kool-aid your sipping.

    I have no idea what field your coming from Ed but thanks, I love baloney. Grew up on it as a kid in Michigan. Measure U is history, isn’t worthy discussing anymore.

    My post was asking Margo about the CI becasue she originally told me the plan was to have it on March ballot.

    What I am trying to get across to everyone is the first mandate for sewer I believe is 2016 for Phase 1, it’s now 2013. That’s not alot of time to propose, pass, implement a .05% sales (not 1/2 sales tax) to benefit those in the Phase 1 area. That ‘s why I suggested to Margo to include Phases 2 & 3 in the CI.

    I can understand why you Ed, personally would not want Phase 3 in the initiative because in includes the evil Sky Harbor people.

  5. Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

    “But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.” Source — “Mein Kampf”, Adolph Hitler

    Ms. Sturges continues to push this misinformation on the people of Yucca Valley concerning the costs to conduct outreach during the past year for the local revenue measure. Here are the facts:

    1) The Fieldmann/Rolapp study CAN NOT by any stretch of the imagination be tied to outreach for the Nov 2012 ballot measure (Measure U). That study was completed in summer 2011, was done to answer questions about equity between the two agencies (Town & HDWD), and was done to demonstrate that a potential revenue measure would save money for the ratepayers;

    2) The Town spent $50,414.25 in Fiscal Year 11/12 (July 2011 – June 2012) to conduct public education, surveying, and outreach to see what was important to the citizens of Yucca Valley. This amount was spent from December 2011 to June 2012, included $5,380 in surveying, $29,100 in consultant support, and $14,684 in two outreach mailers;

    3) An additional $15,545 was spent in July 2012 on another survey before the Town Council even scheduled the election for Measure U. We would have been irresponsible to recommend a revenue measure to the Town Council without first asking the community what they wanted and then surveying them to see if that was enough to garner sufficient support;

    4) From the time the election was called for by the Town Council in August to the end of the year, the Town spent a total of $47,839 on consultant ($19,400), election costs with the county ($6,000 est.), and outreach ($22,439). The outreach was three mailers none of which were advocating a position.

    So if you do the math, the Town spent $65,959 before the election was even scheduled and then spent $47,839 after the election was scheduled.

    It is truly unfortunate that ANY money was required to be spent to bring forward a solution to the challenges that face our Town. But all you have to do is peruse this and other blogs and see the constant barrage of misinformation that gets passed around the community as fact.

    Measure U is over folks. It failed at the polls. Meanwhile the challenges that Yucca Valley faces continue unaddressed and the naysayers continue to spread the misinformation.

    Finally, Ben (aka “Branson”), you keep referring to some nonsensical carpet bag that I have. The Lew Edwards Group were recommended to us by folks at the League of California Cities and the survey company we had used. Neither I nor any of my staff had ever met them prior to their interview for the job in Yucca Valley. They were one of two firms that responded to our invitation to bid.

    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      Oh No!!! They’re pulling out all the stops…. We just had our first Adolf Hitler Quote of the Year!!!!

      I personally like quoting Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels when cornered….. certainly the same sentiment but far less obnoxious.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Hi Mark,

      What the heck are you talking about?

      You and the elected personnel, Town or city council, are expected by the people to make decisions.

      Why is it necessary to get advice and reach out programs and education programs that cost thousands of tax payer dollars to obtain a course of direction in order to make any recommended plan to the respective Town or city council?

      This type of behavior is exactly why the American people are fed up with government.

      We elect people to think! But these days it appears that who we elect default to a city staff or city manager to do their thinking for them via multi-thousand dollar consultants.

      Shame on that system and no wonder that Yucca Valley as well as 29 Palms are in so dire a situation.

      • Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

        Uh, Steve, it’s called Proposition 218 and other regulations that require cities to go to the voters when there is a need for additional revenues. If it was possible to have elections where everyone knew the facts and stepped into a polling station, then we wouldn’t have to spend a dime. We would be able to rely upon an informed electorate to do what’s right.

        But EVERY agency that is proposing a new tax ends up spending resources to provide information to the voters. Since most agencies don’t just have staff sitting around who have extra time and no work, agencies hire outreach specialists to assist in their efforts. And this all assumes you don’t have a vocal opposition spreading misinformation throughout the community.

        • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

          Good try Mark and Prop 218 has nothing to do with the hiring of “advisers” and “PR” firms.

          But in case there are those that think I do not know what I am talking about let me provide a little gem that I received yesterday in response to a CPRA request to the city of 29 Palms dated 31 December 2012.

          First off they still do not have the answers, Second the city can’t seem to just answer my request without paying more money to a law firm and finally it took a month to send me 4 pages of documents that tell me and others – the city of 29 Palms spent $206,000.00 in consulting and planning and advising fees in order to sell 31 million in bonds that have not built a damned thing.

          Do you get it now Mark? Our tax dollars going down the drain in order to support these so called professional advisers and advertising and education firms.

          How did that turn out for Yucca Valley? Oh yea – Measure “U” lost just the same as 29 Palms in now in debt to the tune of 31 million and “Nada”.

          Good show for both Yucca and 29, damn good show.

          • Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

            @Steve – If the Town doesn’t have a resource in-house that can do the work or has the time available to do the work, they have to outsource it. I don’t do ballot measures frequently enough to know all the nuance of state law that distinguishes between “Advocacy” and “Education” (state law that is constantly evolving). So we hired a consultant who works for the VAST MAJORITY of agencies who do local revenue / ballot measures and they have an outstanding track record. Measure U was voted down and we’ll live with that result. It doesn’t change the fact that Yucca Valley needs the resources of a sales tax measure to deal with sewer, streets, public safety, and maintaining services to the residents.

            As for Prop 218, I thought my statement was pretty clear:

            “Proposition 218 and other regulations that require cities to go to the voters when there is a need for additional revenues. If it was possible to have elections where everyone knew the facts and stepped into a polling station, then we wouldn’t have to spend a dime. We would be able to rely upon an informed electorate to do what’s right.”

            Prop 218 and other state laws require us to take new taxes to the voters. You were lamenting that “You and the elected personnel, Town or city council, are expected by the people to make decisions.” There are some decisions that we cannot make — only the voters can make them. And it’s our job to make sure they have the information at their disposal to make an informed decision. That’s why we do outreach.

            • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

              I hear what you are saying but you seem to not be hearing what the tax payers are saying.

              It is unfortunate that your Town thought they needed to spend money in order to get advice that I and many others would have given you for free.

              No new Taxes! In today’s environment any proposal to increase taxes that have no specificity as to their purpose are doomed to failure.

              Heck in 29 the people voted down a tax to keep their fire service level at the current state of affairs.

              My point is that as a city or Town the spending of tax dollars in order to get “advice” as opposed to actually paying for example a public safety issue as is the case in 29 Palms just irks the hell out of the citizens.

              Again, I admire you for being out in the open and taking on the issues be those issues on a blog, at a meeting, or in the press.

              Can you come to 29 Palms if we offer you $300,000.00?

              No answer needed – thanks Mark for the exchange.

              Steve

    • @ Town Manager: I have already posted the connection. Goto Lew’s consulting homepage and three you will see Mark’s name giving a resounding endorsement to the word to hire Lew’s consulting firm. This was prior to Measure U.

      Therefore, you didn’t need the alleged recommendation of the League of California Cities.

      Ed Montgomery is to be congratulated for his tenacity and ability to express himself so successfully. Seems to me Tim Humphreville has made a veiled threat that he is going to contact Mr. Montgomery after he was told to say away. Restraining orders are often given for harassment. When someone ask to stay away, reasonable people stay away.

  6. Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

    Uh, Steve, it’s called Proposition 218 and other regulations that require cities to go to the voters when there is a need for additional revenues. If it was possible to have elections where everyone knew the facts and stepped into a polling station, then we wouldn’t have to spend a dime. We would be able to rely upon an informed electorate to do what’s right.

    But EVERY agency that is proposing a new tax ends up spending resources to provide information to the voters. Since most agencies don’t just have staff sitting around who have extra time and no work, agencies hire outreach specialists to assist in their efforts. And this all assumes you don’t have a vocal opposition spreading misinformation throughout the community.

  7. Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

    Uh, Steve, I’m talking about a political system where cities are obligated to go to the voters and ask their permission to impose new taxes. I’m talking about Proposition 218 and other state law that doesn’t allow the Town council or staff to simply “make decisions” when it comes to raising taxes.

    In an ideal world, the electorate would be aware of the needs of the community, the resources available, and everyone would be able to go to the polling booth well informed. Unfortunately for me (and every other city manager), I don’t live in an ideal world. I live and operate in a 30-second sound-bite world; a world where people demonize hardworking men and women for political sport. I live in a world where we don’t have staff just sitting around waiting to conduct public information campaigns.

    I live and operate in a world where you hire consultants and specialists when you need a specialty. So while it’s easy for you to second-guess and criticize, you ignore the fact that EVERY government entity that seeks to raise taxes HIRES outreach firms to ensure that the electorate is informed.

  8. Ed Montgomery Ed Montgomery says:

    Will will it is the dictator himself finally makes an appearance, I’m sorry Mr. town manager you would be the last person I would believe anything you say. You lost your credibility with the voters a long time ago. The only thing you do is talk in riddles and make no sense whatsoever. Just like the rest of the sky harbor town Council, your so full baloney. You tried every trick in the book and wasted all that money in trying to pass measure U. You have to be the worst town manager I’ve ever seen. You need to go back to were you came from, that’s right you live in Fontana! So why don’t you go down there and leave us alone. Your waste of taxpayers money. After adding up your salary and all your benefits and your car allowance that comes up to over $250,000. I think that’s pretty good for somebody that only works 3 to 4 days a week. Also you don’t like to return phone calls in the people that you don’t like.

    Like you told me before if you don’t like me then replace three town Council members and fire me, that’s exactly what we are going to do. You have to be the most arrogant person I’ve ever met.

  9. Ed Montgomery Ed Montgomery says:

    Margo Sturges, you are absolutely 100% correct, that’s exactly what the town manager, town Council and Jennifer Collins tried to do. They wasted all that money and still couldn’t pass measure U, these people are extremely arrogant and could care less about the voters of this community the only thing they care about is their own special interests. The time is right and the voters of this community are taking back our town whether the town manager, town Council, Jennifer Collins or the rest of the sky harbor want to be’s like it or not.

  10. Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

    @Ben (errrrr, “Branson”) …. The problem when you continuously lie is you can’t keep up with your lies. I NEVER provided ANY testimonial for Lew Edwards Group. I NEVER worked with them prior to the Town hiring them. I did, however, provide a testimonial for TAB BERG who was my political consultant for years when I was an elected official. TAB BERG did bid to work for the Town AND WAS NOT SELECTED. Apology accepted Ben.

    @Ed – thanks for not calling me phony baloney. As for riddles, if providing facts is riddles, guilty as charged. I’m not surprised that the information that I presented in the post previously comes across to you as riddles. You demonstrate time and again an inability to comprehend basic information. You come to few town council meetings, pace around the back of the room, come to the microphone to speak your nonsense, and then walk out. You have NEVER ATTENDED any of the town’s strategic planning sessions, never offered up any solutions to the issues we face. You just throw out nonsensical statements and call everyone names.

    • Don’t confuse the issue. No body said you ever worked for Lew Edwards group. Is Tab Berg associated with Lew Edwards Group? Yes/no?

      • Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

        LOL :-) Don’t confuse the issue with facts. It makes for a better story when we aren’t confronted with the facts.

        I’ll go R E A L S L O W for you Ben (errrrr “Branson”), Tab Berg works for TabCommunications (http://tabcommunications.com). I have only known Tab (since 2000) to be associated with HIS OWN COMPANY.

        Lew Edwards Group (LEG) is A DIFFERENT COMPANY (http://www.lewedwardsgroup.com/)

        You wrongly alleged (AGAIN) that “The town manager pulled another pal from his busy carpet bag when he gave away $48,000 to Lew Edwards and Associates (awarded January 2012).”

        Apology accepted. But if you keep trying to dodge the fact that you were WRONG (AGAIN), I’m going to start thinking that your apology isn’t sincere Ben (errr “Branson”).

    • @Town Manager. I haven’t apologized (yet) or retracted. Let’s continue this…
      Has Tab Communications received any monies from the town, or the Measure U Committee?

      Seems your old internet habit of failing to have a handle on civility has raised it’s ugly head again.

      • Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

        Benson — what part of “The town manager pulled another pal from his busy carpet bag when he gave away $48,000 to Lew Edwards and Associates (awarded January 2012)” isn’t a lie?? The Town awarded a contract to Lew Edwards Group. The Town HAS NOT awarded ANY contracts to TabCommunications. I had no prior experience working with LEG prior to their being hired. Your inability to admit your mistake is indicative of … nevermind, I’m looking to return some of that civility that you have graced me with over the almost three years I have worked for the Town.

        • Are you saying National CORE didn’t pop out of your carpet bag. Tell me about the cement company in Fontana that pours cement out here. Was that a carpet bag job or not? With an active carpet bag, expect these questions.

          Btw, reading the polite exchange between you an Steve you ought to know he’s a hard guy to bullshit after his eight years in the trenches as an elected public official. That said, the issues with consultants is — who decides if they are necessary? You seem to think when managers or a city says they are needed, the public is never to question. Very often cities and towns should do without them.

          It’s all part of the outside networking system.

          I don’t pay much attention to threats. I guess you didn’t like all those factual articles I researched and wrote about National Core. Their close associations with its founder, an indited alleged crooks that give public officials Rolex watches, free golf trips and jets, paid China, their past CEO who has some pretty scandalous going on in D.C.

          Answer my question: Is Tab Berg associated in any capacity with Lew Edwards Group? Yes/no? After I do some research (Sunday and Monday), I’ll get back with you. If wrong, I’ll graciously retract, but given your bellicose inaccurate allegations of lying do not expect an apology.

          I have never called you a liar… Have a relaxing weekend I’m sure you deserve it.

          • Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

            No Ben, I’m not going to play your game. This whole exchange began when you alleged that I awarded $48,000 in contracts to “pals” from Lew Edwards Group. I have shown that was a lie, plain and simple. But it’s like asking the question “do you still beat your wife?” The premise that the question is based upon is false. If we were in court, the attorney would be objecting to your latest volley with “asked and answered.” So one final time, Tab Berg has worked for himself the entire 12 years I have known him. I never worked with Lew Edwards before they came to Yucca Valley for Measure U. They are not “pals” from some so-called carpet bag.

            Now you say “I have never called you a liar”. Well then, what are you calling me when you imply that I have a carpet bag that companies are being pulled out of? Are you saying “Mark, after nearly 14 years as a councilman / mayor and almost 20 years in local government, you sure know a lot of folks and have contacts in many industries”… ?

            Or are you alleging that I’m breaking the law by awarding contracts to influence peddlers and somehow benefitting from it? There is no other reason for this line of questioning or alleging some “carpet bag” of pals.

            So once and for all, I have never and would never recommend ANY award of contract that was not based upon merit. I have on more than one occasion recommended against companies/organizations that I have previously worked with during my tenure in Yucca Valley because they were not the right firm for the job / opportunity. I already gave you one example when i stated TabCommunications WAS NOT selected to be the outreach consultant for the Town.

            There have also been instances where multiple companies have bid work that I have known or worked with in the past. Responding to your specific claim about CORE, go back through the history and the staff reports. CORE was selected to be the developer of the senior housing project after an RFP process that yielded 8 proposals. I had experience working with or knew of the reputation of 4 of the developers who bid. The RFP process was started BEFORE I WAS TOWN MANAGER. CORE was specifically asked about the role Jeff Burum played in their organization. He had resigned from their Board of Directors and was no longer affiliated with CORE.

            CORE was unanimously recommended by the Towns team that included both internal staff and affordable housing/RDA consultant. They demonstrated during their interview that they had creativity in securing funding forthe project and had tremendous experience in combining multiple sources of funding to deliver quality projects and services. Their performance in Yucca Valley, in my opinion, has continued to demonstrate such performance and the project will break ground in Spring.

            So save yourself the “research” you were going to conduct. Asking other bloggers what they think is not research and you have demonstrated time and again a willful disdain for the truth. Have a blessed weekend and a great week.

            • I’ll get back with you Mark, I need to do some snooping around and other research. Thanks for the exchange, albeit you have digressed with a nasty attack.

              stay dry and enjoy your weekend.

            • Town Manager: Tab Berg. Has he received any benefit or enrichment from the town, or Measure U efforts. This will aid in my research.

              Btw you didn’t answer the question about the Fontana cement company. Did they pour cement in town?

              Note that National Core got the attention of a leading Inland Empire newspaper for being underfunded during the time they were contracted by the town to handle senior housing. And the FBI raided their during this time. Their founder Jeff Burum, is likely someone who continues to receive monetary benefit from the organization. Mr.Burum continue to defend the criminal charges against him in one the largest corruption scandals in San Bernardino history.

              Hey, I wish Mr. Burman would give me a ROLEX like he like he did Former S.B. County Assessor Bill Postmus as a gift (the DA charges it was a bribe). But then I would decline the gift.

              Don’t you think National CORE is fair game in this Blog?

              I’ll get back with you in a few days, and, IF warranted, a beautiful retraction will follow.

            • @Ben, 1.Sending you YV Animal Shelter award doc with Fontana Cement to pour foundations for steel buildings from Fontana/no local subs being used.

              2.Sending you Public Records Act on Tab Communications proposal sent via email when Lew Edwards was the ONLY respondent to RFQ.

              3. Sit tight-good stuff coming with links too.

            • Oh my God! I didn’t know that was pulled out of the town manager’s carpet bag and the town council went for the fried ice cream when there are cement companies in the Morongo Basin and Coachella Valley.

              I visited the dog park recently and was aghast at all the yards of cement that was unnecessarily poured, even more than the dog park area. So much cement.

              Town manager still hasn’t my question about the Fontana cement company… Did they pour the massive cement area at the dog park? Mark?

              Naughty boy Mark — and you want that platinum parachute. Bullshit. If you ain’t satisfied with your contractual promise to work for $20,000 a month — hit the road Jack.

  11. Mark Nuaimi Mark Nuaimi says:

    My apologies if this gets posted more than once. I’m having technical difficulties responding to Steve…

    Uh, Steve, it’s called Proposition 218 and other regulations that require cities to go to the voters when there is a need for additional revenues. If it was possible to have elections where everyone knew the facts and stepped into a polling station, then we wouldn’t have to spend a dime. We would be able to rely upon an informed electorate to do what’s right.

    But EVERY agency that is proposing a new tax ends up spending resources to provide information to the voters. Since most agencies don’t just have staff sitting around who have extra time and no work, agencies hire outreach specialists to assist in their efforts. And this all assumes you don’t have a vocal opposition spreading misinformation throughout the community.

    • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

      You know Mark is damned impressive… He is able to juggle his schedule to make posts here, hammer out those Power Points and write a lucid and clearly understandable budget….

      Our City Manager could learn something from him.

      • Could 29 Palms hire him for $300,000 “Total Package?”

        • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

          Well Margo my comment was more a jab at our City Manager and his inability to do the above tasks and his unwillingness to engage his constituents and residents of our city.

          You see, some times comments on this site have nothing to do with Yucca Valley as such and have even less to do with personal animosities others have for one another.

          My comment stands and your question remains unanswerable as it was rather Non sequitur.

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