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I was Scolded for My Tithing? Where is That in the Bible?

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Yucca Valley, Ca.,-COMMENTARY-After a month hiatus from posting on Cactus Thorns, it seems that all Hell has broken loose with certain Elders of the Church where I have worshiped for the past 8 or 9 years. After weeks of no eye contact, a Pastor approached me after the Sunday service to say “Good Morning” and asked for a “Conference” on either Monday or Tuesday, and we agreed to meet.  There were two Elders at this meeting, Pastor Bob Wagner, who mentioned he has been a pastor for 20 years. The second Elder, who was probably assigned as a witness to the meeting, was the most understanding of the two. During this “Conference,” I was assured this had nothing to do with the defeat of Measure U and the timing was just a coincidence.

Of all the things we “discussed” for 1 1/2 hours, using the term lightly because I was never asked for any background or examination of my heart regarding the accusations hurled at me, there is this one issue that I am not able to release after waiting for 48 hours to pass.

I was given an “example” by Pastor Wagner,”When people designate or ear mark their giving to a special cause or special project instead of giving to the General Fund that means they do not trust their leadership.”  Completely clueless by his innuendo, I quickly reviewed my past donations in my mind and realized he was referring to my tithing and offerings. I was in complete shock that Pastor Wagner would cross the line to bring this up to judge me or scold me about my offerings. I told him he could have asked me why I donate the way I have for the past year but certainly I would NOT allow him to put words in my mouth  it had anything to do with their leadership.

A simple question from a Pastor to a Sister Christian parishioner would have provided a simple explanation. It appeared this Pastor, speaking on behalf of all the Elders, and Pastor Jerel, had decided my tithing was a statement about their leadership.

Where do the Pastors learn to judge one’s tithing? Excuse me, but will someone please point out the verse in the Bible where my tithing is to be judged by the Pastors and subject to criticism.  Please, enlighten me because I always felt my tithing was between me and the Lord.

Encouraged by Pastor Jerel to give from the heart with “Joy,” I have been cutting out monies from my “Grocery Envelope” to donate each week ear marked for the orphans in Malawi, a project that touched my heart. (Yes, we low-income use envelopes to put money aside for necessities to make it to the end of the week.)

Not that $20.00 every week is a lot of money to some of the wealthy folks, but it has been $20.00 every week for one year by cutting out certain grocery items from our food budget like cheese, prepared salads and eating less red meat. If I missed a week, I made up for it the following Sunday with a $40.00 donation.  You do the math, 52 weeks @ $20.00, it certainly will go along way to help feed the orphaned children in Africa.

A judgement was passed on my offerings without the courtesy of asking me what was placed on my heart.

Is this the teaching of Jesus?



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Margo Sturges

Yucca Valley Editor

Note: Margo Sturges has written many articles for Cactus Thorns and is the founder of Citizens4Change.info. Email contact: MargoSturgesYV(at)aol.com "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."- George Orwell


  1. Tim Humphreville Tim Humphreville says:

    Wow, I know that most organizations have their limits ,Witch you have pushed and been shown the door, But this takes the cake! How down right nasty do you have to be, to be shown the door at a church! Margo, At what point do you see that you are an open book to this community, And they no longer want your presence. Your constant accusations of corruption and lies has caught up to you. I know Maybe try fasting for a while to save for your charity’s, then send by mail. This way they will accept them, without the huge baggage that comes with you, I don’t know what is better, the fact that with all that brain matter you claim to have, you could not see how much joy that you making this public would bring to those of us that have been a target of your hate, Or that your own church is shown you the door.

    • Steve_In_29 Steve_In_29 says:

      Hmmmmm…..Not very Christian of you Tim. Perhaps YOU should reevaluate how your beliefs stack up against your actions here. Brings to mind a certain Monty Python sketch. Hopefully you weren’t a newt for very long before you got better. LOL

      As to her post, she wasn’t “shown the door”, merely inappropriately chastised for not meeting some arbitrary level of tithing. Seems the church leaders feel that charity is great as long as it doesn’t cut into the church’s bottom line (seems pretty materialistic to me). And beyond that it is obvious they were in fact using this VERY UNCHRISTIAN method to attack her for a NON CHURCH RELATED political action.

      • Tim Humphreville Tim Humphreville says:

        Come on Steve, I know you are not taking her a face value. Think about this, do you really think they would complain about how much she is giving? Lets watch, I would bet this is the first step in helping her to the door for good. Ever hear “you will reap what you sew” Margo is the devil in a cowboy hat. Steve, ask her yourself how many of the clubs,non profits or planning commissions in town she has been given the boot. Hope you have an hour to kill, Does going to church on Sunday excuse living like the devil the rest of the week, sound christian like to you?

        • Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

          Have I told you all how glad I find truth everyday in the practical examples of my faith practiced by those I call Brother and Sister?

          I can sit in the same pew as my political adversary and happily receive the sacrament from his hands and he from mine. We are able to compartmentalize those things that are of this world and those things that are the Lords.

          You don’t throw out the leper because he is hard on the eyes, Christ tells us to love the leper. To help the poor. to Pray for the prostitute and Tax Collector. Christ came to save the wretched sinners of this World not the Righteous. Christ sacrificed his own flesh and blood for the lest of us. Best you remember that.

          We are supposed to know the difference between what is earthly and what is under the control of Heaven. The Church belongs not to the righteous man but the Sinner. The Sinner needs the Church far more than the Righteous man. In the confines of the Church the Sinner finds salvation, the righteous man finds fault.

          Have you not heard “Judge not, that you be not judged?”

          Are your brothers and sisters so unable to differentiate between what is Caesars and what is the Lords? Do not confuse the law of Caesar with God’s Law. Pray… ask.

          Christ said upon the Mount:

          7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

          8 For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened.

          9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

          10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

          11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

          12 Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

          I hope that this heart felt message is not received negatively for I pray I have not:

          Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and tear you.

        • Hmm. Very unchristian of you Timmy.

          Thanksgiving day I sat with a couple who has lived in town forty (40) years.

          They spoke about Measure U being manipulated by local officials.

          They spoke of a certain Church that in their view was more of a cult, and less of a Church.

          They spoke of a nincompoop called Tim, a local Planning Commissioner who brings disrespect to public office.

        • Steve_In_29 Steve_In_29 says:

          Wrong Steve Tim but yes I do find there are plenty of so-called religious leaders that are more worried about the almighty-dollar then the Almighty.

          You might want to have your church leader explain to you how it isn’t very christian to exhalt in the misfortunes of others. Whether they are self-inflicted or not. Though if you go to the same church as Margo, I guess you would simply be congratulated instead of shown the error of your ways.

        • Lit’l Timmy,

          Margo isn’t the usual go along to get along shycophant who panders to nonprofit organizatonal bullies. The Church was shaking her down for money, or using it as a pretext to intimidate. The chump that was with the pastor ought to be ashamed before God’s eyes, while the pastor has no shame.

          However, that Church runs the best thrift shop in the Basin. It’s the mmother of all Thrift Shop.

    • Steve Spear Steve Spear says:

      Hi Tim,

      Just posting to let you know that “Steve_In_29″ is not me. He is another Steve that happens to live in 29 – whats up with that?

      See you at the course my man.

  2. @ Poor Tim,I do not tell lies. The truth is always best IF you can handle it. Glad to see you are filled with joy. Your judgement day will come and what will you say?

    I will pray for you on a weekly basis Tim.

    Peace and Joy to you and your family at this time to celebrate the birth of our Lord.

  3. Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

    Tim, was that a Freudian slip? “Witch not Which”

  4. Paparrazi Paparrazi says:

    Margo, I’ve also experienced the cold shoulder, no eye contact from those at “A” church. When it was revealed to me that the pastor was looking over tithes to see who’s been naughty and nice and calling up the large tither’s to thank them, My instincts said it was time to move on. I did with no regrets. Where I fellowship at doesn’t make me who I am. But who people are does make a fellowship what it is. Birds of a feather flock together. As for your public disclosure of this please read 1 Corinthians 6:1 and on.

  5. Hello Papa, Thank you for your comment and referral to 1 Corinthians.
    Many blessings sent to you from my heart.

  6. Dan OBrien Dan OBrien says:

    Wow…. One weird Cult.

    The attitude of Jesus toward the tax collectors was in stark contrast to that of the Rabbis. He had come to seek and save the lost. The Pharisees were separatists, and did not lower themselves to have anything to do with a tax collector, who was to them no better than a Gentile. But Jesus came not to condemn anyone, but to save every sinner and offer a better life. He never taught that there was anything inherently wrong with paying tribute to the Roman Government or collecting the tax. He was opposed to extortioners, but would fling open the door of repentance and salvation to them. He rejected none, not even the worst.

    Jesus made himself a friend of men, even of the tax collectors and the worst of sinners. He set a new precedent among the Jews by accepting and associating with the tax collectors. He ate with them (Mark 2:16), He offered salvation to them (Luke 19:9), and He even chose a tax collector (Matthew) as one of His twelve disciples (Matt 9:9).

    Luke 18:9-14 “Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men–extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    Source: http://www.bible-history.com/taxcollectors/TAXCOLLECTORSJesus_and_the_Tax_Collectors.htm

  7. Dean M Gray Dean M Gray says:

    Why on earth do you want to continue associating with these people? Seems like a complete waste of time and spiritual resources.

  8. Hi Dean, Many have posed that same question to me over the years. Please see the following link to the story I wrote to answer that question.


    (Of interest are the comments of the “Boastful” Yucca Valley EX-Councilman, Isaac Hagerman, and YV Planning Commissioner saying I should beg for forgiveness from the Yucca Valley Elected officials/Town Staff that all attend that church.)

  9. desertrider desertrider says:

    If you want to know how a Christian is supposed to be, ask non-Christian…They’ll be glad to enlighten you

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