Yucca Valley, Ca.- YV Mayor Pro-tem Isaac Hagerman abruptly shut down his business, Hagerman Gardens Assisted Living on November 23, 2011.
Yucca Valley Mayor Pro-tem Isaac Hagerman
This facility, owned and operated by Hagerman for the past three years, is located in Sky Harbor in Yucca Valley. I was contacted by family members and they told me about their experiences during the hasty closure of the facility uprooting all the residents. These gut-wrenching interviews took place over several days and the actions of Isaac Hagerman are completely disgusting the way he treated these elderly patients.
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011, the day before Thanksgiving, Hagerman had his staff contact the family members at 3 pm to tell them they had to move out by Saturday because he was getting a divorce. This verbal three day notice was in violation of their lease agreements requiring a written 30 day notice. Too cowardly to make the phone calls himself, he instructed the head caregiver, Angela, to do his dirty work.
The five residents were looking forward to sharing another Thanksgiving together but instead, were kicked to the curb by Mayor Pro-tem Isaac Hagerman to be out by Saturday. One 90 year old resident had been living at Hagerman Gardens for 3 years paying $2,200.00 a month for a private room and bonded with the other residents. Apparently this three year relationship meant nothing to him as he pulled the plug and closed up shop. I was told when some of the family members arrived to pick up the residents, everyone was sitting in one room and crying about this abrupt closure. There was a scramble to secure other rooms for the patients by the family which was traumatic for all involved especially during this time of Thanksgiving.
Turns out, Isaac Hagerman was canned that day from his high paying position as Administrator working for his wife’s company, Braswell Senior Care.
Councilman Isaac Hagerman Should Resign In my opinion, Yucca Valley Mayor Pro-tem Isaac Hagerman is morally bankrupt and should step down as councilman. This is not the way we treat our fragile and elderly citizens in this community.
Isaac Hagerman should not be sitting on the Yucca Valley Town Council and certainly should not rotate into the position of Mayor! Lacking character and the ability to conduct himself in business matters that require the basic understanding of a “30 day written notice,” he should not be sitting on the dais voting on multi-million dollar contracts on behalf of the Town of Yucca Valley.
Step down now Isaac Hagerman and get your life back in order. Find employment, go back to school and spend more time with your two sons. The town of Yucca Valley does not need to go through the scandal of your mismanagement of Hagerman Gardens.
The remaining YV Town Council members will do just fine without you and the citizens will be better off.
You are an embarrassment to our community and there are no excuses for the way you treated these Senior citizens.
Yucca Valley Mayor Pro-Tem Hagerman Kicked Patients to the Curb,
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Wow! Royalty falls hard.
While daddy was busy raising his empire telling us how we should live, he apparently neglected his own family’s moral vision.
The kid sounds like a privileged spoiled brat. Too bad people got in his way. A little too old to grow up now. Reminds me of an ol’ country song…
I got the tar and she’s got the feathers…
While I thought he was a pompous ass, I didn’t expect it to go this deep.
Slashing and burning helpless elderly patients (90 yrs old) in Yucca Valley is a nasty business. The Mayor Pro-Temp is finding just how nasty it can get.
It’s know the second in charge enjoys hanging at Starbucks: Was he overloaded on one to many frappuccinos — “the drinks that keep you decaffeinated” — when he urinated on YV’s elderly patients at Hagerman Gardens?
Wrongful eviction, intentional infliction of mental distress (punitive damages), breach of contract, elderly abuse, etc. There has to be a deeper pocket than than Mr. Hagernam at the facility. This is a slam dunk law suit.
Of course any verbal three day notice in evictions is a violation of the California Civil Code. You’d think a Mayor Pro-Tem would know or should know better.
It looks like there are two SCROOGES who kick seniors around and evict them during the holidays: The other Scrooge is National Core — who has the no-bid contract to constructing and manage Yucca Valley Senior Affordable housing.
What distinguishes the two is the Mayor Pro-Tem took the law into his own hands. Is Mr. Haggerman the next Mayor of Yucca Valley?
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“…when some of the family members arrived to pick up the residents, everyone was sitting in one room and crying…”
Elderly seniors? Sucks, I keep hearing on the radio, TV and print news that seniors don’t contribute anything.I’ve even read it here in this blog.
Why care about fartsbags? Round ‘em all up at after 80 and make Soylent Green.
Are you kidding me???????
Actually I do care about oldsters and their welfare. Parody is one of the chief shapes which satire assumes, and satire can be offensive or misunderstood. My intent was to blunt the nature of Mr. Hagerman’s harsh treatment toward advanced-age seniors so shabbily treated as described in the blog. I have a standards you don’t mistreat or abuse elders and you don’t kick them to the curb. They must of all been mentally traumatized and them post cultural shock.
Should anyone have been offended by the satirical nature of the comment, I hope this comment makes my respect for oldsters knows, and I apologize for the absurdity.
huh? Did I miss something? Why are you apologizing? Unless horrors beyond horrors you have a split personality…. Tell me it ain’t so Branson…
This guy is such a sleaze and know nothing. Its just appalling and crazy that he even holds public office.
Isaac, say it ain’t so. Your getting a divorce so you’ve got to close a facility that houses those that can’t care for themselves? What version of the bible do you read? Let me guess. The Isaac Haggerman crossed out the stuff I don’t like version. Very shameful if the account above is accurate.
When he was fired from Braswell Senior Care, didn’t the in laws bear some responsibility knowing what would happen if they took his income?While not legally at least morally.
The same as if I enabled one of my family members to be an alcoholic and they in turn caused harm. I guess it’s just my warped moral thinking that Dr.Frankenstein should be responsible for his creation.
Where has Braswell been? Where has the church been? Certainly the monster didn’t create himself.
What Councilman Hagerman did was terribly wrong. He is not yet 30. There is hope for this guy. He has many years ahead of him before he reaches the age of those residents. After he resigns from the City Council, and when all the dust settles in his personal life, he can find the pollen path and turn-around his life. There is always the ability to be a better person.
I’m behind his march forward. I hope he has friends and family that are there for him. When he is ready I offer my help.
Braswell confirms Hagerman Gardens was NOT connected to their organization. 26 years old Isaac purchased this house 3 years ago at the top of the market and then the values crashed.Chase Bank is holding the mortgage.
YV Mayor Pro-tem Isaac Hagerman collected $2,200.00 from six residents for the three years he was the sole owner/manager of this venture. He was required to give them 30 days written notice. Some had been there for three years and formed bonds with each other ….
It would be hard for him to claim ignorance with his long work history at Braswell as “Admin” and his certification in that field.
Hagerman should step down now and return to his private life to start over. The town and church does not need this scandal and he is also slated to become Mayor? And President of the Yucca Valley NOON Rotary?
Investigations continue and when authorized, I will write more.
Of course they have, yet they provided the means for the venture. In firing him, they surly must have known of the consequences. Their concern was not with the residents. It was a poor moral choice.
When we spoil our children, we bear moral responsibility for the harm we set in motion.
Well I am glad you guys did not know me back when I was 26. From the prospective of 61, it looks like a considerable bump in the road in Issac’s life, but a bump none the less.
It sounds to me that Hagerman made a series of bad business choices, that has lead to this business venture collapsing. Not that any of you have made bad choices, huh?
I don’t know what church you all go to but in mine there is redemption. In mine we don’t kick a member when he’s down, we offer all that the church can give.
How long are you going to persecute this guy? Can he ever find redemption? Must he be stoned here in the theater of public opinion until he is driven to suicide? Would that make your day? If it was your intent to ruin his political career and any further aspirations, I believe you all accomplished that. Don’t you think?
“Who among you is with out sin?”
Maybe if he came out and explained? Maybe if he did right by those that he has harmed?
There were no bad business decisions other than those propping up a spoiled kid.
We owe him nothing. He has to earn it. Should we keep spoiling him?
1. Do you think “we” have been soiling him?
2. Who’s to say he is not working on making it right with those actually involved with the business failure?
3. Who is propping up Hagerman’s bad business choices? Be careful to separate giving a fellow man a hand when he is down from being a co-conspirator.
4. Who said anyone owes anyone anything? Why in your estimation, has he earned your wrath? I said wrath, not critical observation, but your contempt and hate.
Listen when I don’t like someone, you guys know it and you know why. It becomes personal and when my hate for someone bubbles up and is vocal, I don’t hide it. I am right out front.
So tell me Terry, what has Issac done to you on a personal level that brings such angst on your part? Share with us your story. I am interested. Really I am.
Redemption begins for Isacc when he resigns from the town council.
I don’t think it’s a question of readers not forgiving. Seems to me Isaac has remained silent regarding these accusations. He has never been shy voicing his opinion here on CT. Like him or not. He wears his heart on his sleeve. I’ve always felt that he’s been a favorite whipping boy on CT. That’s why I wrote … “Isaac, say it ain’t so” I wanted him to voice his denial or to ask for forgiveness from those he offended. Namely the residents and families of those who were evicted. If he has legal reason not to respond here all he has to do is say I can’t comment on that while there is a ___________ going on. Until then he looks rather cowardly. That is coming from someone that is not a detractor. I want him to do the right thing.
What did the girl with the tattoo in the other post do to you? Why make fun of her face art? Perhaps she’s found Jesus in jail. Doesn’t everybody? Why are they still holding her? She isn’t stealing now.
It’s the same damn thing.
Did I make a judgement call on the girl? I asked a question…. just like I asked you.
Hold on to that thought, Terry…. I’m heading off to the VA… be back this afternoon.
Tell them “hi” for me. I owe them big time. Good people over there.
DanO-So let me understand what is being said here. A guy goes to his office on Wednesday before Thanksgiving-finds his stuff packed up and the company computer locked away. He finds his stuff packed up at home too and is given $1,000 to seek lodging elsewhere.
An hour later, he kicks a small puppy across the room in a fit of anger.
So now…he MAY be trying to make things right with puppy so NOW he is good guy? Since the little puppy does not belong to us readers, we are not allowed to be outraged by these actions???
Why are you rushing to stick up for this guy who is morally bankrupt?? An elected Town Official is held to a higher standard and his actions do not fall into a file folder of “bad business decisions” especially since there are reports of Elder Abuse??
Besides this was not a one time event, these incidents took place over 3 years.
Remember, Hagerman cannot claim ignorance with all his “Admin” experience in that field.
Yeah, you go ahead and feel sorry for him…..poor Isaac.
The rest of us aren’t buying his sad sack story.
He was offered a place to stay FOR A FEW DAYS….going on two months living in a poolside cabana in the backyard at another YV Councilman’s house. Why don’t you take him in?
The crew at Braswell call him “Cabana Boy.”
Outraged? I think you have shown your outrage I mean how long do you intend to beat on the fellow? He is a no house walking the dog Mother Humper… OK we get it.
In this lynch mob circus trial here some one has to stand for the accused. I am sticking up for the guy because no one else seems willing to be his advocate. Everyone including Issac Hagerman deserves an Advocate. If you prefer view me as the Devil’s Advocate.
We don’t live in the 1690s, This is not Plymouth. We do not drown the accused to see if they were innocent. All I said was at some point you the good Christian Woman are going to have to allow this obviously beaten down sinner an opportunity for redemption.
My question is Margo…. Why don’t you take him in? Saul of Tarsus found redemption on the Road to Damascus…. How about Issac finding redemption on the road to your house?
Elder Abuse? Is this a charge that has been brought by the District Attorney or is this a unfounded accusation?
Lets stick with the facts.
Double standards for you here Dan. The shameless belittling of Kalasky of ‘Cow’ — and the endless onslaught of the assassination of his character — was got to the point of an obsession — that rained down on Kalasky. You hate this mans guts and that guided your assault against him.
Now with all the self-righteousness with Isaac you doesn’t seem to be coming across all that pure.
I drew the line at never talking about or referring to KLasky’s family in a negative way. It seems that here you people are drawn to his personal private family strife like moths to a candle.
As opposed to Mr. Klasky stating in the Los Angeles Times that I Hated Jews, knowing full well that many of my family are of that faith. I have made it clear I was opposed to talking about Hagerman’s private life in both private conversations to Margo and Dean Gray. Just like in the case of Klasky, I don’t care about his sleeping arrangements or for that matter his personal love life, or lack thereof.
Mr. Klasky was the one who took the political stand to defend those who would deface and stomp on the American Flag. I merely made it public.
But thank you for that useless and malformed analogy.
Double standards again Dan. You’ve accuse people in here of being anti-Israel without any reason whatsoever, all without referencing to any evidence.
Does Mr. Kalasky qualify for redemption like Isaac? Note Kalasky didn’t break any laws like Isaac
Then you peeled off a layer of skin on Cliff Lundquist, and humiliated him over and over because he signs his correspondence as being a Vietnam veteran. You questioned his sanity and suggested he should be in a nut farm. You brought much anxiety and distress to his personal life. You exacerbated his medical problems, and says he, further his eviction from the National CORE affordable senior housing.
Yet your avatar was posted with a photo of Dano the Great in his Air Force uniform. Do you see the double standards you project?
Is there redemption of Cliff?
I haven’t any problem with your advocacy for Isaac; everybody deserves an advocate. However don’t sweep his misdeeds under the rug.
Sure cliff has redemption…. He has you as a friend. I know you will do everything to help the old fellow. Have you moved him in to your home yet?
Sweep his misdeeds under the rug? What misdeeds? All you and Margo have done so far is make accusations. Accusations are not proven facts. Trying him in the Court of public Opinion is not tying him in a court of law. It appears that I am not the only person that feels that way.
There are more citizens contacting me in this shining of the light in the dark corner. Especially my fellow church worshipers at Joshua Springs Calvary Chapel.
I am not relying on the so-caLled support that you imagine based on the blog comments…thumbs up or down.
I have not made any accusations since I have the personal statements of the family members. Why would they lie about this?
You ask for Evidence? Show me the evidence that someone “dropped” your mom. Was there a police report? Did you file a complaint? Isn’t your WORD of the incident acceptable?
I accept your word….why would you lie about someng like that? You would not.
Off to my 10am appointment. I, unlike you, do not know the facts of this incident. As such, I will keep an open mind.
Dan asks what misdeeds? Dan isn’t helping by making things worse for Isaaqc by pretending his harmful acts against the most vulnerable in society did not take place. You makes him appear more shallow and more callous.
For a starter here are his misdeeds: Misfeasance for violating civil code laws; nonfeasance for the omission of acts; malfeasance for violation of a public trust; misfeasance the wrongful performance of a normally lawful act; illegal eviction; malicious treatment toward seniors too old to care for themselves, and elder abuse allegations for causing intentional mental distress, and for failure to at least pay for moving costs, breach of contract.
Is it your contention that Margo and her sources are liars? Are you holding those seniors, one 90 years old, were not put to the curb?
Devil’s Advocate, eh? I could not have picked a better title for you rushing in to save poor Isaac. Shall I post the complaint form on this blog while there is an ongoing investigation? I think not, but you Sir Advocate of the Devil shall have an opportunity to plead his case on his behalf.
Yes, Your Honor, I can say he is a good boy and would never do anything bad. Look at his sweet Cherub face, will this broken child survive the Bubbas?”
Oh Boo-hoo Isaac.
And yes, I have been told by the Social Worker to prepare a summary to submit to the District Attorney….shall I list you as his character reference, Sir Advocate of the Devil? Opps! You said Devil’s Advocate….same thing right?
“Step down now Isaac Hagerman and get your life back in order. Find employment, go back to school….”
Does this mean he is no longer employed by our local Orthopedic? Or are we just passing out free advice?
Seems so easy to tell someone else how to live their life. One mistake doesnt necessarily make his life out of order. Sometimes the paths we take (although seemingly wrong) lead us to the right path in life that we wouldnt have appreciated without the hard failures along the way.
Must be a hard life…to be a (beloved) ministers son in YV and held to such a higher standard than anyone else. Add to it his other responsibilities… All that pressure, failing marriage, it was just a matter of time before it came down around him.
Perhaps A better question we should ask is Whats next? Sometimes a leader is born out of the biggest failures in their life. (not saying he is there yet)…leadership is an apprentice trade…And a leader is never quite done growing. How Mr Hagerman handles the next few years will be interesting. Only time will tell us if he is a leader or a failure. To judge anyone to quickly is an easy mistake. While he should “back up and regroup”, stepping down as mayor would be a plus…it shouldnt mean he is worthless or a failure and only those who think they are perfect look at him as an embarrassment to our community. He’s a human. Add all sorts of variables to the equation, and the out come will be different for any human in his shoes.
One lesson we should all remember is for every finger we point at some one there is 3 more on the same hand pointing back at ourselves.
(I would like to point out I didnt vote for Hagerman and am really not a political or personal fan of his)
“Only time will tell us if he is a leader or a failure. To judge anyone to quickly is an easy mistake. While he should “back up and regroup”, stepping down as mayor would be a plus…it shouldnt mean he is worthless or a failure and only those who think they are perfect look at him as an embarrassment to our community. He’s a human. Add all sorts of variables to the equation, and the out come will be different for any human in his shoes.” Submitted by GovCodeSearch
Thank you for such a powerful message. Stepping down will not mean that he is worthless in my book. It takes courage to do the right thing. Chad Mayes and Frank Luckino stepped down out of the political arena just recently for the good of the town and I really think Isaac Hagerman is in over his head. There are more variables to this situation that he knows are true and it is overwhelming. He is a young man and will probably reflect back to this time that set him forth on a new course that will put his priorities in order. Politics? Family? God? Income? Education? It will be up to him to “back up and regroup” to sort things out.
My issue is and will be, without fail, the elderly citizens that were mistreated during the final chapter of their lives. This does not make me a righteous person in my book, but one that cares for these frail citizens that were defenseless. If I come across otherwise, it is not intended on my part.
I can assure you that I will not be washing Isaac Hagerman’s feet.
Okay Moonbeam. May I ask what that title refers to or rather whom?
Isn’t it time we laid off our politicians and stopped asking them to be accountable?
If your surgeon came in hung over or the pilot of the plane you were taking came in drunk, the mechanic on your car left of your wheel nuts, would you not point a finger? What if they opened a pot store in your town? Would you sit there quietly?
Even in my mundane job, building walls, leaving out basics such as rebar is not only a bad business decision, it is downright dangerous and very irresponsible.
When we put ourselves in a position of responsibility, we need to make darn sure that we are.
This is a case of someone who married themselves into a position of responsibility. Obviously a child of privilege, who gets a pass from the community for being a preacher’s son. It’s time to stop and demand responsibility from his pompous actions. We owe him nothing. We owe the one’s who were displaced by enabling this fool.
what title?
Not sure what you want to do here other than confuse issues by bringing up past debates, unless you think somehow one is relevant to the other so here goes…
If someone opened a potshop in my town, first it would depend on where they put it, is there zoning codes allowing it, and did it open up as a potshop or under the disguise of something else? Knowing me (been there done that) I would petition the town, attend meetings, look up state and federal codes to make sure it is allowed to be near a school (think I did everyone a favor getting it moved since we now see many potshops shut down and or raided over being to close to recreational facilities as well as schools). If I had mediocre success, I would take it up a level. Get involved basin valley wide (IVDFC) state wide (CDFC) and then across the US (CALM).
What I WOULD NOT DO is belittle a person or their opinion by name calling or pointing out every detail they have failed at in life. I will spare you the list I was going to post. I figure those who are with me know what happened (or will ask) and those who aren’t wont believe it(or look for the truth) anyway.
My point is always the same stick to the facts don’t bring up the sludge and confuse the issue at hand.
I never ONCE said Mr Hagerman should not be held responsible nor did I suggest a free pass. What I said was we are all human and as so tend to make errors. But for those of you who seem to speak for the entire city, you need to hear both sides and allow both sides a reasonable voice. Not all of us are embarrassed. Many are saddened by this event. Many I am sure are quite the gossip mongers who will sit beside the others at church Sunday. Remember, we will be judged by the same judgement we pass upon others.
And Margo, I could have sworn Mr Hagerman was at church sometime back…..However, I was under the understanding JS didn’t keep roll of attendees. Or did you appoint yourself to do that? I don’t recall seeing you there. Funny thing isn’t it? Last time someone told me they hadn’t seen me for a while, I made it a point for the next 4 weeks to find that person, interrupt their day and let them know I was checking in with them. If I see we attend the same service I will do the same with you.
JSCC has no membership roster. As you might know, I am always seated in the back row because I wear a hat. No longer able to attend the 7 am service with my Equestrian Fellowship friends due to my arthritis, I rotate between the 9am and 11:40 service. There is Bible study on Wednesdays when I am not attending the HDWD meetings.
If I want to see all my friends, I attend the 9am and hang around for the begining of the following service. I can quickly scan the rows of chairs because everyone always sits in the same spot each Sunday. Creature of habit, I guess.
Still a bit slow as I recover from my severe infection August/September and my new RX for arthritis is making a difference for me. At one time I was able to climb up the stairs to work the live radio broadcast but stairs are out for right now. I also volunteer in the Food ministry and my husband and I attend couples ministry on Thursdays.
One time I attended all three services because I had to make an announcement for some event..Pastor Jerel delivered the exact same powerful sermon for each service. What a gift! Same message, same farm stories and same jokes….a photographic memory?
Take care Govcodesearch!
Ps. There have been several outreaches to Isaac Hagerman by phone and email for his comment but he has refused to return the calls. At first we thought his number had changed but his ex-wife, Deanna, told my Publisher he had the same number.
Also, Isaac has posting privileges on this Blog. Still mum!
I refer to the title of “Moonbeam” given to Jerry Brow.
The point being for bringing up past discussions is to accentuate that we all have our peeves. Different banners we carry. This one hit me due to recent personal events with family members.
It didn’t help that I already found the guy unlikable in his demeanor. I found it all too easy to put together a scenario in my mind that may or may not be accurate.
In a sense, I did get carried away. Then again if my intuition is even the least bit accurate…
It’s simply a picture. Chosen to make a point! Things aren’t always what they seam… but…as a collector I will explain.
In use during the early 1900′s to just after WWII, fruit crate labels have become a very popular collectible and “vintage decor” due to the sometimes whimsical artwork that was representative of the era. This scene was a very popular one showing the beauty of the citrus groves on a moonlit evening, dating back to the 1920′s.
My father lives in Florida which is where I discovered this type of collectible.
govcodesearch- you might like the “orange crate labels” of an early mentor of mine. I’m a graphic artist and fine art screen printer. I was a teachers aide to Pasadena City College printmaking teacher Ben Sakoguichi in 1972. He embraced the “political reach” of orange crate labels forty years ago. His website has hundreds of “orange crate labels”.
http://www.bensakoguichi.com
It is one thing to educate the public on events that effect the citizens of this town and quite another to preach from a pulpit of self-righteousness. I am sure that there are many other ways to come to the aid of these elderly families that does not involve the belittling of another person. If Christ can wash the feet of Judas, how much more of a witness would it be for you to be a servant to Mr. Hagerman in kindness. Is preaching against someone else’s shortcomings going to impress the Lord?
DanO may be looking for the right sponge and the perfect white linen towel to wash Poor Isaac’s feet. What would Jesus do about the elderly victims??? Turn his back??? Allow more victims to fall to harm in the future by ignoring these past 3 years of mismanagement/abuse???
What is wrong with our society?? An elderly patient breaks a hip and no one calls 911?? What if that was your Granpa that was treated that way….you go ahead a be a servant to Poor Isaac in kindness. We have laws in our society to protect the innocent and Poor Isaac is not above the law.
Why is it Poor Isaac has not entered his Father’s house for at least ten years that I know of. I will pray for him but others may be his servant and wash Poor Isaac’s feet.
My calling is to be the voice for the elderly that were treated like a commodity….buy-sell-trade-dump!
huh? I think you found that I am not alone in finding your hounding of the poor fellow a bit disconcerting. I haven’t a need to wash his feet.
I am a sinner, I look upon Hagerman and say, “There by the grace of God go I.” I was 26 once. I know the temptations of power, and youth.
I can say I was in the position of your, “what would I do?” …. We had mom in a Braswell establishment. within a week they dropped her. Dropped her so hard she had to be hospitalized. What did we do? We took her home. Simple.. We took responsibility for our own, did what was right. and shut the hell up and moved on.
What business is it of yours to worry about the father-Son relationship of the Hagermans? Does it matter to you? Do you have a dog in that hunt? Is it any of your business?
You want to be the voice of the Elderly? Don’t make me laugh!!! How about standing against a system that says it is OK to warehouse the elderly? How about stand up for a law that requires family members to take care of their own? Instead of taking the easy way out. How about standing up against a system that takes tax dollars and builds huge bureaucratic megaliths that hardly serve the elderly but more keep legions of idiots employed?
Hounding a 26 year guy who admittedly has a inflated ego past the point of instructional aide is not even remotely speaking for the Elderly.
Sounds like Braswell may have troubles as well.
Every time my dad got out of the hospital, they would put him in one of those places. It was money for them. They fought to keep him and we would fight to get him out.
Most of us are at the age now where we’re visiting more and more nursing homes. I have an aunt in one now. She has a standing offer to move out here but she won’t. What do you do? Make sure it’s a good home. While I’ve put thousands of miles on the motor home going back and forth to Colorado this year, all I can really do is hope there is someone back there watching out for her. Personal vendetta or not, I don’t care.
You are a good child. The world need more of you.
As a voice for the elderly, how have you come to their aid? Did you go to them and help in any way other than to voice your distaste for the owner of the facility. My comment was that there are – I am sure – other ways to assist them than to throw someone to the lions. What does Mr. Hagerman’s relationship with his father have anything to do with this situation? You continue to spout out judgement without any action. We can all sit and judge – it is what we DO not who we accuse…
1. The family members came to me.
2. I am working with a social worker to complete all the forms to file the complaints.
3. The reference to the “Father” was too cryptic on my part and I apologize for that.
4. It originated from a FaceBook comment from Lucia Hagerman (sister-in-law) that concerned me when she said the children of the minister have trouble becoming Christians.
5. I have not seen Isaac Hagerman worship at his dad’s church in over 10 years that I have been here.
6. BTW-I don’t hate “Poor Isaac,” one needs to separate the person from the deed.
Another family member just contacted me this evening about a Nursing Home that depleted her Mother’s bank account. I will meet, listen and take notes.
Another family member just contacted me this evening about a Nursing Home that depleted her Mother’s bank account. I will meet, listen and take notes.
Ask her why she could not take care of her mother at her own home? Ask her why she felt warehousing her mother was the better option in the first place? Ask he if her concern about her mother’s bank account was more base upon her own access?
You want to speak for the Elderly get to the question of why a child would abandon their own mother to strangers and then complain that their was nothing left at the end for her?
Hagerman Gardens was NOT a part of Braswell and should NOT be lumped in these conversations with this story.
As for the personal details, everyone I know honored that guideline until it came out that Poor Isaac used his getting a divorce as his reason to kick out the elderdly patients to the curb. Based on the interviews with the family members it was brought to the table and nary a mention before that. Check the story timeline to verify.
Your mom was dropped and you took her out of a facility? I’m glad you were able to care for her all these years. There are countless elderly seniors that have been isolated from their family for many reasons…it is not fair to pass your judgement on all family members.
As I sat and held the hand of a dying patient during my years as a Hospice volunteer, I was never angry or disappointed the family did not come around. I felt blessed and honored to have been a comfort at the last moments of life after developing a friendship during my visits with them while they were still alert and aware of their surroundings.
Will we both end up at a facility as we become more long in the tooth? No one has a crystal ball…a slip, a fall, a stroke or broken hip is but only one brief moment that will change all our lives.
E V I D E N C E !!!! not anecdotal drivel.
If you have evidence then put it out …. post it in PDF Form.
Don’t confuse your disdain for Hagerman as some sort of noble cause to save the elderly from a fate worse than death. Not one of us who read you believe that. Come on!!!!
Will I end up in a home?? Personally I plan on using the facilities of Smith and Wesson if things get that bad.
@Dan– Not something for your grandchildren to be proud of?
You wrote: “Will I end up in a home?? Personally I plan on using the facilities of Smith and Wesson if things get that bad.”
At least I have prodigy.
Whats your point?
I thought it would be Union Pacific.
Why? More often than not it’s too inconvenient and because someone else will pay for it. There are circumstances where medical or security issues would mandate specialized care. IMO these grey headed stockyards exist because no one cares.
Wow, this has been one very contentious thread and not a peep out of Isaac.
DanO, what if your Smith & Wesson misses the mark? Will we taxpayers be stuck with your special care needs?
As long as a patient is receiving care via an IV, the payments keep coming to the facility. Ever wonder why you were hooked up to an IV receiving a simple saline solution? For some patients it is ordered for rehydration or to keep a vein open for easy access to hang a bag of RX piggy backed to the mainline. Once the IV is DC’d, time to ship the patient home.
With cutbacks in the future for Home Care and reduced payments to facilities…you can expect to see some big problems as we Baby Boomers head down that path.
If you want to start a move for “Reform” I would like to see your proposals because I fear this is just the tip of the Ice Berg.
Ps. As a friend, I would want to help you in any way possible so don’t get your Popeye in a twist, ya hear?
NO ….Fay swears she will do it right the first shot.
With the second shot going to the head.
And you said people don’t understand your humor. That was funny!
So you wouldn’t care your wife would be looking at a manslaughter charge like Jack Kevorkian.
Seriously Ben, you want to go there? You think you can handle going down that road?
At least I have a wife.
Context Wally Branson, context.
Your not getting what Dans point is.
Is that intentional,or do you really think Fay is so dumb she couldn’t make it look like an accident?
She could say Dan went berserk and came at her.
Better yet all that would need be done is have a cleaning kit near by.
Or she could say it was an accident, she was trying to shoot the dog.
The point is being responsible for what you write. When you write something disgusting and lacks civility, expect being held to reasonable standards.
The defense of Isaac has pretty much done more harm than it has done good because it’s pretty much off-topic. Dan should but has not made any reasonable or logical argument whey he should stay, or why it’s not a big deal to wrongfully and illegally to evict seniors whom cannot care for themselves.
Perhaps if his defenders would guide the discussion in the right direction it would help.
The issue is –Are the councilman illegal acts justified in calling for his resignation? I think it does. I predict after he will resign after he gets some profession advice and the dust settles.
State reasons whey his illegal acts are not egregious enough to call for his resignation. Is it okay for ordinary citizens to take the law into their own hands, and evict people because you’re having bad day? Isaac really needs to go.
That is where the discussion should go, but has not.
Thank God I live in a country that the accused is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers in a court of law.
Thank God I live in a country that the accused is not judged upon him availing himself of his RIGHT to remain silent.
Thank God I am able to know the difference between personal life and public life, and have over the years pretty much been able to stay out of the private lives of those I don’t like.
If we lived in your world where business failures were indicative of bad politics Abraham Lincoln would have never been elected.
I am afraid you and Margo equate a failure of a marriage or a business as being criminal. I don’t see it that way.
No one has presented a single FACT here that Issac has been accused of an CRIMINAL ACT. The closing a business, and as of yet we don’t know if it was a voluntary or a “regulatory” closing means nothing. To assume Mr. Hagerman committed criminal acts is an absolute disregard for Fairness, Justice. He has not been indicted by a Grand Jury and is not required to resign from any post. So your demand that he resign is based upon a very very personal dislike for the guy. Instead of being honest and stating you don’t like the guy, you hide behind this charade of innuendo.
If You have the facts… Put them out on the table. If you think Issac was in the patients pill bottles prove it.
Seems you are suggesting the seniors were not victims of an illegal eviction. You are not helping Isaac.
Do his actions warrant him stepping down? If not, why? Does this bring discredit to the City Council?
Dan, you need to be focused here and represent Isaac. Everybody should have an advocate, one that help not makes things worsen.
Should he be held accountable? In not why? You write the virtue of being a private person but overlook the fact that Isaac is a pubic person. IF he vioates civil laws, it is an issue.
Seems double standards again because you have been a champion in here for public figures persons being out a public persons. Okay for others, but not for Isaac?
Isaac is a public figure, his public behavior is relevant when they become egregious.
Don’t post misstatements Dan. I’m staying with the issues. By inventing stuff you only make things worse for Isaac.
Dan, you really need to think more clearly about what you write. You are the first to raise the question of Criminality pertaining to Isaac.
This is all civil, not criminal. Once again you are doing more harm that you are doing good. Keep the Criminal thing in the feature page of Ct, it doesn’t belong here with Issac.
You wrote: “No one has presented a single FACT here that Issac has been accused of an CRIMINAL ACT.?
What civil action? You have not proven there is any civil action either… all you have done is accuse.
And unless you have something to help either party in this mythical civil action all you are doing is tainting the potential jury pool.
You two have really shown everyone just how petty you really are.
I’m for resurrecting good ole Jack Kevorkian and making him the official White House Physician.